Cone_SSR
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| 02/13/2009 11:47 PM |
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It's BAAAAACCCCKKKKK!!!!
The brand spankin' NEW 2009 season is HERE!!!! So tune up those buggies & truggies and come join us at Delta R/C for Round #1 on March 21, 2009!!!
See website for more info:
http://www.norcalrcchamps.com
Here's the 2009 flyer:
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Cone_SSR
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| 03/16/2009 10:28 PM |
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March 21st---Round #1 is THIS Saturday at Delta R/C....Open practice @8am; Racing starts @10am!!!
Join us in kickin' off the series---and let's burn some NITRO!! |
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rcgeezer
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| 03/18/2009 1:27 PM |
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| It's been TOO quiet on the Empire lately! Who's planning to race at Delta this Sat.? Has the track layout changed? See ya'll there! |
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Andrew Houser
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| 03/18/2009 1:56 PM |
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Im going to be there Im not shure if ill be racing but i will be there to watch Nor Cals Finest throw Down.
" WHEN THE GREEN FLAG DROPS THE BULLSHIT STOPS" |
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kail
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| 03/18/2009 5:56 PM |
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I don't think the track layout has changed. There is also practice on Friday for those who wish to have a little more fun, I know there are a few people heading down and staying overnight.
What's up Andrew? Tried calling a few times, I guess the number I have is no good, hope to see you out there this weekend. |
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| 03/19/2009 11:03 PM |
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Who said no new layout? |
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Dave D
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| 03/19/2009 11:27 PM |
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| Must be a hidden feature after the front straight since we didn't see it all. Looks good though guy's and can't wait. |
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Dave D
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| 03/22/2009 7:01 PM |
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I am pretty irritated and I know for a fact that several other people are pissed also that some people that had been running or should be running expert buggy signed up for intermediate buggy in this series. One of them TQ'd sportsman and would have qualified for the expert A-Main.
That would be like me Signing up for the NOVICE CLASS at THE HARVEST.
For 1 I would be embarrased to try and do something like that and what for, Bragging rights. It's not right and the people doing the signup's should have caught it and questioned them on it, The people setting up the mains should have seen it and bumpede them to expert for the mains since it slid by during registration.
There is several of us that drive 4-5 hrs each way to have fun and race but it kind of takes the fun out of it when people do things like that and almost makes me not want to run the series any more.
I'm not the only one that feels this way I know Kris, Darrell, Mike, Brent and several others feel just about the same way.
Kirk JR didn't think it was right either and he he bumped himself up into the expert class for this series. Congradulations on the move Kirk your keeping it honest and you'll only get faster by going up not by going backwards.
Thanks for letting me vent and I seriousely hope that the people do the right thing at the next race. They know who they are so I am not going to mention any names. |
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| 03/22/2009 8:02 PM |
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Dave,
I feel your pain, but these thigns happen. Doesn't make it right, but happens more than it should. Don't know what else to tell ya.
I had a good time at the race. Did better in truggy than buggy. |
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DENNIS C
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| 03/22/2009 9:25 PM |
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| I'm not going say they did the right thing, but when you make the C and B mains every time out you get a little frustrated. The one person you are speaking of did not win the main. I think he finished third , the person that did win has only been driving for four months and would have finished fourth in the expert A main. That doesn't mean he should move up. I think you should drive in the class that you are the most comfortable in. I don't see any one person out there in sportsman dominating. When that happens maybe they should move up. |
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| 03/23/2009 2:48 AM |
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| I think the same thing happened in sportsman truggy too. Not saying I would have won but the winner had three or four laps on 2nd & 3rd place, and qualifying showed the same. He clearly COULD have ran expert. Guess we'll just have to turn it up a notch. |
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Midnight Q
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| 03/23/2009 11:59 AM |
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Since my name was dropped into Dave's email, I thought I should join in the "discussion."
I have raced on and off for the last 8 years, and I do it for fun. I raced electric until it started to die down and I would've been forced to race with those who are no fun, then 1/10th gas truck, and now 1/8th scale buggy.
And, the one thing that has remained consistent through all my experience is that when there is a series race, or a "big" race (ie the Harvest) there are always some who feel the need to not run in the class they belong.
I saw it last year in the Lost Coast series, in the Prarie City Series, and at the Harvest. Heck, I saw it in the Wineter Series at Delta. When you have folks that are consistantly (more than once in a series) qualifying toward the front of the "Expert" class. . .that is just stupid (now, I exclude the likes of Phillip and Tyler as they are top in the world when comparing this).
THAT is when whoever is running the series should step in and say, "what a minute, how fair is this?" Sadly, however, I have come to accept this practice by folks. Hell, look at the podiums for all these races and series for Sportsman, and, if you have been around, you know who does not belong there.
Now, I have no idea who everyone is talking about from Saturday, but the fact that he did not win does not mean crap! Hell, the Kings beat the Lakers earlier this season, but that does not mean they are in the same class of team. Irrelevant comparison. . . That is why the race is run.
Where this hurts the sport, in my opinion, is there some people who are not like me (I do know some who are) and can just accept this as the norm. When I sign up or look at the Heat lineups, I have a pretty good idea of my chances of making the A, B, or even C main. That's life for me, but others looking to get into the sport or make a long drive to attend these races might think twice about doing it because the Sandbaggers take the fun out of it.
And believe me, you DO! I could care how I finish in the overall scheme of things, I am there to learn, meet people, and improve my driving, not drop down a class so I can expect to be in the A every round, and finish in the top 3 consistently. That is a bunch of CRAP!!
Those are my 2 cents worth, although, in this economy, they amount to penny!!
I will still come out, still have fun, and STILL accept the fact that this is going to continue to happen.
Also, this is a forum we are posting on, so some might think everyone sharing their opinion is doing it kind of "cowardly." Not me, I have accepted this and chose not to say anything. But if you would like to discuss this face to face (as adults, not 10 year old boys), I am easy to find. Just look for the guy with the Venom Racing hat on.
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racingwidow
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| 03/23/2009 1:53 PM |
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Great racing on Saturday at Delta RC. Awesome racing in all classes. |
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kail
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| 03/23/2009 2:33 PM |
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Great Discussion
They funny thing is that I have been thinking about this issue for awhile since it was kind of brought to my attention from a buddy.
It's plain and simple, we need to have 3 racing classes.
sportsman
open
expert
Now it may take a bit of time to sort things out, but this will help separate those that are to fast for sportsman, or feel to slow for expert. Also, the track owners or series promoters need to study the results and make sure those who stand out trying to sand bag are bumped to the next class.
This is great stuff guys and I'll do whatever I can to make it happen, I understand some people don't care about winning or getting the recognition, and some do, but at least we can make an effort to allow people to grow and gain confidence in this sport. I know a few people who have left the sport because they felt they were getting nowhere.
Anyways, it was a lot of fun this weekend, and congrats to all who enjoyed themselves. |
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| 03/23/2009 2:34 PM |
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Since Dave also mentioned my name in his post, I might as well weigh in on this subject as well. I'll start by saying something positive about one of our fellow racers, Kirk Jr. IMO here's an excellent example of what should happen...he clearly dominated the Intermediate classes in the Winter series and won both. If a driver begins a series and improves his driving skills throughout, as I hope would be the case for most of us, it's very possible that by the last few races of that series this driver could probably run with the experts. However, in this case I have absolutely NO problem with said driver finishing out the series and then moving up, which is EXACTLY what happened with Kirk.
My problem is with the handfull of drivers, and let's be honest here, there really are only a few, who based upon their current driving ability should be racing in the expert class. Wins has nothing to do with it...it should be based upon your consistant lap times. If your cranking out lap times that would place you well into the expert field CONSISTANTLY, then in my opinion that's where you belong. And the only way this is ever going to change is if race directors begin to take a hard but consistant stance and monitor this abuse. Look at how they do it at the National level races...they clearly say at sign-up that they reserve the right to align you in the appropriate class based upon THEIR assessment of your driving ability. Seems pretty clear cut to me.
Speaking for myself, I race strickly for the fun of it...I like meeting new people, swapping stories, forming relationships and talking some trash now and then. But I also enjoy the challenge of trying to better my driving ability each time I race, cuz I guess I'm just addicted to racing! I don't expect to win every race I enter, but i DO expect to at least have that chance should by some miracle everything go right on any given day and I not crash myself out of the chance. People sandbagging clearly removes this chance or makes it near impossible to accomplish. Will I quit racing because of it...heck no! But if this doesn't get fixed soon it will ruin the sport that we all love so much. As Midnight Q so eloquently stated I'm also available to discuss this in person with anyone who desires, you'll find the RCgeezer at some local track trying to lay down consistant laps. |
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Dave D
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| 03/23/2009 3:01 PM |
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I didn't mean to sound as if I would quit racing becouse I will NEVER do that.
I can see the FRUSTRATION of alway's being in the B or C mains since I am in the B and C mains but this weekend I never even made it out of the D main.. So people drop down from expert to sportsman for A-Main status knocking us B mainers to C and D mains. They are happy with finishing well and we are happy just to race.
If someone has only been racing 4 months and dominated that hard in a class maybe they should move up on there own. As an example Mathew Hunt ran his only sportsman truggy class last year first time in his life and won so he went to expert and never looked back. He ran sportsman buggy his first time ever driving a buggy and made A-Main then went expert not to ever look back.
Some people are born with natural talent and don't need to prep themselves in sportsman classes like us that are half thumbs. |
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| 03/23/2009 4:49 PM |
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Round #1 was insane---all you crazies jumpin' out of the arena!
Results for Round #1 are up!!! Check out how you did:
http://www.norcalrcchamps.com/2009results/rd1_1.pdf
Points standings to follow shortly....
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racingwidow
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| 03/23/2009 5:01 PM |
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Congratulations to everyone who ran Delta RC on Saturday. Awesome racing.
Congratulations to Jacob Haas for TQ and 1st place in Sportsman Buggy.
Maybe your info isn't quite right. Jacob Haas was TQ, but he has never raced expert. His first race was on 1/3/09. This will be his first "season". He loves rc racing and all the friends he has made in the last year, while just hanging out at the track. Jacob is 14 and will run the NORCAL series as sportsman for this year. He is looking forward to racing with everyone this year. |
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Dave D
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| 03/23/2009 5:10 PM |
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Posted By racingwidow on 03/23/2009 5:01 PM
Congratulations to everyone who ran Delta RC on Saturday. Awesome racing.
Congratulations to Jacob Haas for TQ and 1st place in Sportsman Buggy.
Maybe your info isn't quite right. Jacob Haas was TQ, but he has never raced expert. His first race was on 1/3/09. This will be his first "season". He loves rc racing and all the friends he has made in the last year, while just hanging out at the track. Jacob is 14 and will run the NORCAL series as sportsman for this year. He is looking forward to racing with everyone this year.
1 2 Phillip Antondo 74 / 30:15.179 21.945 1 13/5:03.196
2 9 Curtis Door 73 / 30:24.412 23.001 3 13/5:19.398
3 6 Jason Moberly 68 / 30:18.576 23.783 7 12/5:00.726
4 7 Dennis Close 65 / 30:04.136 24.098 8 12/5:02.512
5 1 Chris Emard 62 / 30:23.320 23.390 4 13/5:19.552
It doesn't matter the age of the driver it is the skill. If you look at the stats he would have qualified for the EXPERT A-MAIN and then with his results from his Main he would have gotten 4th place in the EXPERT A-Main. He should definately be running in the EXPERT Class Regardless of his age.
1 6 Jacob Hass 65 / 30:00.460 24.160 1 12/5:05.459
2 1 Rob Delvisco 64 / 30:18.699 24.931 2 12/5:21.574
3 10 Vince P 62 / 30:01.423 24.175 4 12/5:25.413
4 4 Levi Wyren 62 / 30:23.068 24.922 7 11/5:07.391
Look at these stats 3 laps over Levi who iabout to go expert. and 1 lap over Rob who has already been running expert up to this series. I would be EMBARRASED PERSONALLY ifor not running EXPERT if I could drive like them.
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